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Nego jel ima netko kakve podatke, barem priblizno, koliko Krscana svetkuje subotu a koliko nedjelju? Pa da vidimo i statisticku stranu.

To najbolje stanes pred crkvom ,onih krscana koji svetkuju subotu pa gledas,a onda stanes pred crkvom krscana koji svetkuju nedjelju pa i vidis tocnu statistiku.

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crusadercro je napisao/la:
Nego jel ima netko kakve podatke, barem priblizno, koliko Krscana svetkuje subotu a koliko nedjelju? Pa da vidimo i statisticku stranu.


Kada nemaš jasne Božje kriterije istine i pravednosti, onda su dobra i ljudska (statistička) mjerila.
Koliko postotaka bi zauzeli Židovi u usporedbi sa svim drugim narodima svijeta (u vrijeme Starog zavjeta)? Babilon je imao puno više sljedbenika. Kao i Grčka mitologija i filozofija.
Koliko postotaka (odn. promila) je činilo dvanaest učenika i jedan učitelj, u 1. stoljeću?

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I ljudske statistike mogu nam pomoci da saznamo sto Krscani pretezno svetkuju. Dakle, koliko od preko 2 milijarde Krscana koliko ih danas ima svetkuje subotu?

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crusadercro je napisao/la:
I ljudske statistike mogu nam pomoci da saznamo sto Krscani pretezno svetkuju. Dakle, koliko od preko 2 milijarde Krscana koliko ih danas ima svetkuje subotu?

Sve vise i vise.Ali to nije nikakav podatak poboznosti.Bog nece pitati ovo tvoje pitanje.Nego je si li me sljedio u zivotu?
Matej 24,16
Ali tko ustraje do svršetka, bit će spašen.

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crusadercro je napisao/la:
I ljudske statistike mogu nam pomoci da saznamo sto Krscani pretezno svetkuju. Dakle, koliko od preko 2 milijarde Krscana koliko ih danas ima svetkuje subotu?


""Uđite na uska vrata! Jer široka su vrata i prostran put koji vodi u propast i mnogo ih je koji njime idu. O kako su uska vrata i tijesan put koji vodi u Život i malo ih je koji ga nalaze!" Matej 7,13.14.

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Neznam simply sto si htio sa time reci. Uzevsi u obzir adventisticke tvrdnje da su adventisti najstarija crkva sa najvecim brojem vjernika. Mi koji svetkujemo Nedjelju smo cini se u manjini. :-)

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crusadercro je napisao/la:
Neznam simply sto si htio sa time reci. Uzevsi u obzir adventisticke tvrdnje da su adventisti najstarija crkva sa najvecim brojem vjernika. Mi koji svetkujemo Nedjelju smo cini se u manjini. :-)

Kako samo spretno izvrces rijeci!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ne bi li pokazao svoj neprijateljski stav prema ljudima koji svetkuju subotu,a dobro znas da subotu svetkuje jos mnogo denominacija.Molim te pokazi duh krscanstva u diskusiji.

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Zar sam neprijatelj ako govorim istinu? Neznam Dina o kakvim uopce denominacijama pricas? Sta je Krist osnivao denominacije?

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Zar sam neprijatelj ako govorim istinu? Neznam Dina o kakvim uopce denominacijama pricas? Sta je Krist osnivao denominacije?

Svatko ima prava na svoju istinu,bez da mu netko sugerira svoju istinu.Krist je glava crkve.Nisu jedini adventisti koji svetkuju subotu.A zna se da je prva krscanska crkva svetkovala subotu.

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Nebi se slozio da je vise istina, istina moze biti samo jedna. A sto je Crkva svetkovala u prvim stoljecima to su nam Krscani toga vremena zapisali.

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dina

ispravno kažeš, mnoge druge crkve svetkuju subotu, ima ih i kod nas u zagrebu. slažeš li se da su adventisti, da tako kažem, pioniri u svetkovanju subote u novijem dobu a druge crkve koje su na neki način bile pod njihovim utjecajem također su počele slijediti njihov primjer

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stranac je napisao/la:
dina

ispravno kažeš, mnoge druge crkve svetkuju subotu, ima ih i kod nas u zagrebu. slažeš li se da su adventisti, da tako kažem, pioniri u svetkovanju subote u novijem dobu a druge crkve koje su na neki način bile pod njihovim utjecajem također su počele slijediti njihov primjer

Ovo je neka tvoja filozofija.Kad se po tebi racuna novo doba?Postoji konitnuitet svetkovanja subote.

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oho, čemu takav oštar ton? nisam spominjao kontinuiet, ja vjerujem da Pavao dopušta vjernicima da drže važnim pojedini dan, tako da se može govoriti i o kontinuitetu subote. pod novijim dobom mislio sam na period od nastanka adventista do danas, samo to.

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Dina imaš li kakve dokaze da su kršćani svetkovali subotu kroz povijest

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Happy Sabbath ili Subotnji blagoslov svima koji svetkuju ovaj dan...God bless you!!!

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Hvala brate, i ja želim subotnji mir i blagoslov tebi i ostalima!

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A ja zelim blagoslovljenu subotu onima koji na poseban nacin svetkuju prve subote u mjesecu posvecene Bezgrjesnom Srcu Marijinom, kao i svima koji prate "Cenakul" preko valova Radio Marije.

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smirnof je napisao/la:
Dina imaš li kakve dokaze da su kršćani svetkovali subotu kroz povijest



Sabbath Observance Through The Centuries - The First Century A.D.

INSTITUTION OF THE SABBATH
"Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." (Genesis 2:1-3 )

JESUS
"And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read." (Luke 4:16)

JESUS
"And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:16,17)

JESUS
"But pray ye that your flight be not in winter, neither on the Sabbath day." (Matthew 24, 20).
NOTE: Jesus asked his disciples to pray that in the flight from the doomed city of Jerusalem they would not have to flee on the Sabbath day. This flight took place in 70 A.D. 40 years after the Jesus' crucfixion and we see here that Jesus fully expected His church to be observing His true seventh day Sabbath that He Himself proclaimed to be the Lord of.

JESUS' FOLLOWERS
"And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment." (Luke 23:56.) Did these women make a mistake and keep the wrong sabbath or was it that Christ NEVER EVER hinted that there would be a change forthcoming???

PAUL
"And Paul, as his manner was went in unto them, and three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the Scriptures" (Acts 17:2) Did Christ fail to inform Paul on the road to Damascus that there's now a new sabbath? Or rather does the silence of Christ speak volumes against the papal sabbath???

PAUL AND THE GENTILES
"And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. And the next Sabbath came almost the whole city together to hear the Word of God." Acts 13:42, 44.

Here we find Gentiles in a Gentile city gathering on the Sabbath. It was not a synagogue meeting in verse 44, for it says almost the whole city came together, verse 42 says they asked to hear the message the "next Sabbath."

And get this: The Bible does not say it is the "old Jewish Sabbath that was passed away," but the Spirit of God, writing the Book of Acts some 30 years after the crucifixion, calls it "the next Sabbath."

JOHN
"I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day." Rev.1:10 (Mark 2:28, Isa.58:13, Ex.20:10, Clearly show the Sabbath to be the Lord's day).
The term "Lord's day" in reference to sunday came later. The Biblical meaning for Lord's day is the day that God calls "My holy day" and the day that Jesus said He is Lord of.

JOSEPHUS
"There is not any city of the Grecians, nor any of the Barbarians, nor any nation whatsoever, whither our custom of resting on the seventh day hath not come!" M'Clatchie, "Notes and Queries on China and Japan" (edited by Dennys), Vol 4, Nos 7, 8, p.100.

PHILO
Declares the seventh day to be a festival, not of this or of that city, but of the universe. M'Clatchie, "Notes and Queries," Vol. 4, 99

So we have incontrovertible proof that the observance of sunday was NOT practiced by the apostolic church of the first century. Although the poison of apostasy had already begun, it did not reach the ascendancy until the passage of a few more centuries.


Sabbath Observance Through The Centuries - The Second Century A.D.

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EARLY CHRISTIANS - 2nd Century
"The primitive Christians had a great veneration for the Sabbath, and spent the day in devotion and sermons. And it is not to be doubted but they derived this practice from the Apostles themselves, as appears by several scriptures to the purpose." "Dialogues on the Lord's Day," p. 189. London: 1701, By Dr. T.H. Morer (A Church of England divine).

EARLY CHRISTIANS - 2nd Century
"...The Sabbath was a strong tie which united them with the life of the whole people, and in keeping the Sabbath holy they followed not only the example but also the command of Jesus." "Geschichte des Sonntags," pp.13, 14

EARLY CHRISTIANS - 2nd Century
"The Gentile Christians observed also the Sabbath," Gieseler's "Church History," Vol.1, ch. 2, par. 30, 93.

EARLY CHRISTIANS - 2nd Century
"The primitive Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews;...therefore the Christians, for a long time together, did keep their conventions upon the Sabbath, in which some portions of the law were read: and this continued till the time of the Laodicean council." "The Whole Works" of Jeremy Taylor, Vol. IX,p. 416 (R. Heber's Edition, Vol XII, p. 416).

EARLY CHRISTIANS - 2nd Century
"It is certain that the ancient Sabbath did remain and was observed (together with the celebration of the Lord's day) by the Christians of the East Church, above three hundred years after our Saviour's death." "A Learned Treatise of the Sabbath," p. 77

Note: By the "Lord's day" here the writer means Sunday and not the true Sabbath," which the Bible says is the Sabbath. This quotation shows Sunday coming into use in the early centuries soon after the death of the Apostles. It illustrates the apostasy that Paul the Apostle foretold of when he spoke about a great "falling away" from the Truth that would take place soon after his death.

"From the apostles' time until the council of Laodicea, which was about the year 364, the holy observance of the Jews' Sabbath continued, as may be proved out of many authors: yea, notwithstanding the decree of the council against it." "Sunday a Sabbath." John Ley, p.163. London: 1640.

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