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A sto se nasilja tice...evo nekoliko fakti:

Na prostorima Hrvatske, ako bas hocete, nema starih dzamija... Starih crkava
ima, osobito ima onih iz doba kad je ovim područjem "haracio islam"... A
dzamija nema.... Samo ih je na području Hrvatske bilo više od 180. A nije
ostala ni jedna.... Slicno je u Srbiji i Madzarskoj.... Kad se gradila
mostarska katedrala, najvece su priloge davali hercegovacki muslimani.
Medju prvih stotinu sponzora nema ni jednog krscana...

Provjeri koliko krscana zivi u tzv. islamskim zemljama... Tu izuzmi Mekku i Medinu...Isto kao sto ja izuzimam Vatikan...

Zahvaljujuci razmisljanjima takvih kao ti u toku protekle agresije ubijeno je na desetine hiljada neduznih muslimana... Sama Srebrenica dovoljno govori...
A vi kazete da smo mi sami sebe napali...Jasta smo..ubijali smo se medjusobno... Da bismo sirili islam...

Ili smo mozda bili prijetnja nekome pa su nas napali...Bili smo vojno opremljeni dakako...Svjetska vojna sila...

A malo se osvrni i na dolazak Turaka na ove prostore...

Sacuvan je zapis pravoslavnog monaha iz Hercegovine (Trebinjski
manastir) iz 1509.g., koji kaze da su mnogi pravoslavci drage volje
prigrlili islam.... O tome pise i Vladimir Corovic u svojoj knjizi "Bosna
i Hercegovina" (str.65): "U trebinjskom manastiru pisan je i jedan
zapis u 1509.g. i u njemu se kaze - radi nasih grehova postize nas
izmailska zelezna palica, koja nestedno porazava ustanove pravoslavne
vere; i razrusise se svete crkve i izmenise predanja starih ktitora,
tako te se umalise i zakoni i knjige. ....
I mnogi, nemuceni ni od koga, otstupise od pravoslavlja i pristase uz njihovu veru....."

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Rafael je napisao/la:
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Rafael je napisao/la:
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Rafael je napisao/la:
Muhamed je prekrsio svoj sporazum sa Zidovima Medine i sve ih na koncu pobio, ucinio robovima ili preprodao kao roblje. Banu Nadir, Kajnaka i Kurejza. U Medini je stavljen temeljac za unistenje Zidova. Genocid, koji ce kasnije poprimiti stvarni karakter.

Bukari pise:
"Prorok Allahov je rekao:"Strasni sud se nece dogoditi, dok se vi sa Zidovima ne obracunate, i svaki ce kamen, iza kojeg se bude skrivao jedan Zidov, reci: "O muslimane!" Iza mene se skriva jedan Zidov, ubij ga!"

Ovo je pocetak genocida nad Zidovima, kojeg je samozvani prorok sam inicirao. Muhamed je rekao, da su svi Zidovi majmuni.

Banu Nadir je posvecena cijela jedna Sura, naime Sura 59.

Prvotna islamska zajednica, umet, je bila jedna federacija beduinskih plemena, a ne nikakva republika. Zato je Muhamed ocistio tu federaciju od Zidova i krscana. Banu Nadir, Kaab ibn AL`asraf je bio kod bitke kod Badr-a toliko frivolan, da je sam otisao u Meku i tamo izazivao Koraisite. Kad se vratio u Medinu, onda je poceo vrijedjati muslimane, bludnicenjem sa njihovim zenama. Muhamed je upitao svoje pratioce, tko ce ga osloboditi od ovoga covjeka?

Muhamed ibn Maslama je odgovorio, on ce to uciniti. Mohamed je na to pristao i on ga je ubio.
U bitci kod brijega Uhud, Abu Sofian, vodja Koraisita je imao kontakt sa Banu Nadir i poslije izgubljene bitke, u kojoj je Muhamed sam bio ranjen i bili su mu izbijeni zubi, On je obracunao sa Banu Nadir. Iako oni nisu prekrsili sporazum, nego je Muhamed imao samo dojam, da su to ucinili.
Poslije dvotjednog opsjedanja, predali su se. Njihova sudbina je poznata.
Sa ostalima je bio isti slucaj.

A Kurejza su bili u kontaktu sa Ban Nadir, a poslije Bitke kod "Medinskog jarka", on ih je okrivio da su suradjivali sa Koraisitima i kasnije, poslije povlacenja Mekanaca, on je htio konstituirati jedan primjer na ovom zidovskom plemenu, tj. pokazati, da religijska zajednica ide preko politickog i plemenskog interesa.

Opsjedao je i njihovo selo, utvrdu, a kada su zatrazili slobodno povlacanje uz odricanje svih dobara, ni to im nije dozvolio, nego je trazio konverziju na islam, sto oni nisu mogli napraviti. Jedan Arap iz plemena Aus je bio kao sudac. On je pak trazio smrt svih muskaraca. Zene djecu i starce su pretvorili u roblje. Po nekim kronikama bili su svi ubijeni. Oko 700 muskaraca i 2500 ostalih. Cijeli tjedan su ubijali ljude.

To nije Bozja volja. A kako bi to sve prikazao kao Bozju volju, onda je to opisao u Surama, kao Bozju volju. Kojeg li apsurda!

To je tvoj pacifisticki islam! A i danas nije nista drugacije. Islamisticki teror je sveprisutan, a krv i dalje tece u potocima u ime Allaha.
Kako je to moguce u 21 stoljecu? Vasa doktrina to omogucava!!!



Samo jedno pitanje...gdje pronalazis svoje podatke...
Ja znam za Buharija...Isto tako znam da je Ebu-Sufjan bio vodja Kurejsija...Ne Koraisita...

A ti mi nadji u arapskom svijetu jednog Bukarija ili te Koraisite...

Ti bolan pricas o islamskom ekstremizmu....i pricas o islamu u medijima...
eto opet te podsjecam na masone...
Znas li ko je bio Horus...znas li detalje o njegovom rodjenju...
i sta znaci sunce na oficijelnom papinom prijestolu...

Znas li ciji je simbol mitra....zapravo jedan od simbola..

napominjem, ostavi se medijskog vidjenja muslimana, oni manipulisu i tobom i mnom..i ako ti neke stavke u Kur'anu nisu jasne ili su ti nelogicne...posluzi se Tefsirom...pomoce ti da razrijesis dilemu...
Kada je rijec o hadisima...moras paziti na njihovu vjerodostojnost...jer postoje stepeni vjerodostojnosti....


Kako vidis, ja imam daleko vise pojma o tvom proroku od dvije trecine tzv. muslimana, koji nemaju blage veze niti sto stoji u kuranu, niti sto stoji u hadisima.
A u mojoj argumentaciji se koristim Mohamedovom biografijom od Sergio Jona, koja je islamu vrlo naklonjena.

Ti se nalazis u slijepoj ulici, pa jos uvijek imas sanse da se vratis na pocetak i pocnes svoj put iz nova.

Religija, koja ne dopusta slobodu izbora religije, nije religija, nego totalitarizam!!!





"La iqrahe fi-d-in...."

"Nema prisile u vjeri" (Al-Baqara 256)


vidim da itekako imas pojma....u vjerodostojnim (sahih) hadisima je najbolje opisan Poslanikov s.a.v.s. zivot...ako znas sta je sahih hadis...
ti nisi u slijepoj ulici.....ti padas niz liticu...


U vjeri ne, ali tim vise u religiji!
Nadam se da pravis distinkciju!

Hahahahaha,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,a prorok je rekao, da se Irtidad kaznjava smrcu.
Nesto mi je ovdje prisutno previse kontradikcije u svemu, sto ti pises.

Osim toga, naveo sam izvore o islamu, njegovim pocecima i biografiji samozvanog proroka.

Najpoznatija, najvjerodostojnija i najautenticnija biografija je od Ibn Ishaaka, prepravljena od Ibn Hishama i opet kronizirana u Tabarijevim kronikama.

Sve kasnije biografije samozvanog proroka, kojima se na zalost muslimani najvise sluze su iskicene legendama i pretjeranim barsunastim tekstovima.
A to nisu povijesni fakti!!!Kur'an - Page 16 Sleep




Ko je rekao da se muslimani koriste biografijama samoprozvanih proroka...
Muhammed s.a.v.s. nije prorok....nego Boziji poslanik...nesto kasnis sa odgovorima...puno tragas po netu za njima...pa naletis na prvo sto ti odgovara u kontekstu....

daj mi definiciju religije...

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AHDNAMA SULTAN MEHMED FATIHA


Ja sam sultan Mehmed han, neka je poznato
svima, uopće od prostog puka kao
i odjeljenjima ova moja vlastodržaća
povelja, kojom bosanskim svećenicima ukazujem
veliku pažnju, te zapovjedam: spomenutim
i njihovim bogomoljama ne smije
biti smetnje ni pritiska, neka se smjeste u
svojim bogomoljama, te kako od uzvišene
moje strane, tako od mojih vezira, niti od mojih
podčinjenih (robova), niti od mojih podanika
- raje niti od svega stanovništva cjelokupne
moje države spomenutim nitko se ne
smije miješati u njihove stvari niti ih napadati,
ni vrijeđati ni njih ni njihov život, njihov
imetak (imovinu) ni njihove bogomolje.
Također iz tuđine osobito u moju državu
dovoditi ljude dozvoljava im se. Stoga spomenutim
izdajem moju uzvišenu zapovijed u
kojoj im posvećujem svoju brigu i pažnju, te
se kunem teškom zakletvom: Stvoriteljem i
gospodarom zemlje i nebesa, sa sedam musafa,
sa velikim Božijim vjesnikom (Muhamedom)
i sa 124.000 pejgambera i sa sabljom
koju pašem da ovim što je napisano nikoje
lice ne smije se suprostaviti dok god ovi
(Franjevci) služe meni i mojoj zapovjesti budu
pokorni.
Pisano 28. maja 1463.
Na granici Milodraža
Fatih sultan Mehmed



Ahdnama je poznata kao najstariji dokumenat
o ljudskim pravima u historiji, 326
godina prije francuske buržoaske revolucije
1789. godine i 485 godina prije
međunarodne deklaracije o ljudskim
pravima 1948. godine

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samo sam preletila,,,

NO NOTORNA JE LAŽ DA SE ISLAM BRANIO!! TO MORATE VI MUSLIMANI TRVDITI JER JE MUHAMED SVAŠTA RADIO. no krenimo it početka. muhamed je živio u miru sa poganima u meki i tada su nastali miroljubivi djelovi kurana i tada nije imao puno sljedbenika. kasnije u medini je pridobio puno sljedbenika i nastali su nasilni stihovi koji abrogiraju one iz medine. sve je počelo tako što se muhamad počeo rugati poganima i njihovim bogovima. e tek su se ovdje oni našli uvrjeđeni i odreagirali. i to s pravom, ejr šta se on ima rugati njihovim bogovima. pa uzmi mač i tako to onda.. malo pljakčkaj pa eto 1/5 plijena ode muhamedu. a pogledajmo samo kako su isusovi učenici širili kršćanstvo. nenasilno. svi su umrli kao mučenici. e to nam sve govori kakav je tko i šta je od boga, a šta od muhameda. i moram li po 100x stavljati link koji opvrgava sve kuranske "mudžize":

http://www.islam-watch.org/Amarkhan/Miracles-of-Quran-Exposed.htm

nakon što se ga pročitali, ako i dalje vjerujete u nekakvu znanost u islamu, iskreno vas žalim.

toliko od mene.

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i ako u vjeri nema prisile zašto ubijate ljude koji napuste islam. joj joj taj ajet je abrogiran onim iz medine tipa 9:29 kojim se muslimane poziva da se bore protiv nas i židova, a zašto kaže ajet 9:30-31 jer mi vjerujemo da je isus sin božji, a židovi uzeir. LOL da da , ubio nas allah kuda li se odmećemo.. cccc

29. Borite se protiv onih kojima je data Knjiga, a koji ne vjeruju ni u Allaha ni u onaj svijet, ne smatraju zabranjenim ono što Allah i Njegov Posalnik zabranjuju i ne ispovijedaju istinsku vjeru - sve dok ne daju glavarinu poslušno i smjerno.
30. Jevreji govore: "Uzejr je - Allahov sin", a kršćani kažu: "Mesih je - Allahov sin."* To su riječi njihove, iz usta njihovih, oponašaju riječi nevjernika prijašnjih - ubio ih Allah! Kuda se odmeću?
31. Oni, pored Allaha, bogovima smatraju svećenike svoje i monahe svoje i Mesiha, sina Merjemina, a naređeno im je da se samo jednom Bogu klanjaju - nema boga osim Njega. On je vrlo visoko iznad onih koje oni Njemu ravnim smatraju.

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estera je napisao/la:
samo sam preletila,,,

NO NOTORNA JE LAŽ DA SE ISLAM BRANIO!! TO MORATE VI MUSLIMANI TRVDITI JER JE MUHAMED SVAŠTA RADIO. no krenimo it početka. muhamed je živio u miru sa poganima u meki i tada su nastali miroljubivi djelovi kurana i tada nije imao puno sljedbenika. kasnije u medini je pridobio puno sljedbenika i nastali su nasilni stihovi koji abrogiraju one iz medine. sve je počelo tako što se muhamad počeo rugati poganima i njihovim bogovima. e tek su se ovdje oni našli uvrjeđeni i odreagirali. i to s pravom, ejr šta se on ima rugati njihovim bogovima. pa uzmi mač i tako to onda.. malo pljakčkaj pa eto 1/5 plijena ode muhamedu. a pogledajmo samo kako su isusovi učenici širili kršćanstvo. nenasilno. svi su umrli kao mučenici. e to nam sve govori kakav je tko i šta je od boga, a šta od muhameda. i moram li po 100x stavljati link koji opvrgava sve kuranske "mudžize":

http://www.islam-watch.org/Amarkhan/Miracles-of-Quran-Exposed.htm

nakon što se ga pročitali, ako i dalje vjerujete u nekakvu znanost u islamu, iskreno vas žalim.

toliko od mene.



Samo da mi je znati gdje pokupis sve te gluposti...iskreno se nadam da nisu plod tvog razmisljanja.....

sto se linka tice....samo sam ga kao sto ti kazes malo preletio...
imas li jos takvih linkova???zanimljivi su...hahahaha

ti ne znas kako Kur'an izgleda a kamoli da znas gdje i kada je koji dio objavljivan..

da zivio je u miru sa njima...svakako...pa je bio citav zivot proganjan i na kraju prognan iz Mekke...divno ocitovanje miroljubivog zivota...

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estera je napisao/la:
i ako u vjeri nema prisile zašto ubijate ljude koji napuste islam. joj joj taj ajet je abrogiran onim iz medine tipa 9:29 kojim se muslimane poziva da se bore protiv nas i židova, a zašto kaže ajet 9:30-31 jer mi vjerujemo da je isus sin božji, a židovi uzeir. LOL da da , ubio nas allah kuda li se odmećemo.. cccc

29. Borite se protiv onih kojima je data Knjiga, a koji ne vjeruju ni u Allaha ni u onaj svijet, ne smatraju zabranjenim ono što Allah i Njegov Posalnik zabranjuju i ne ispovijedaju istinsku vjeru - sve dok ne daju glavarinu poslušno i smjerno.
30. Jevreji govore: "Uzejr je - Allahov sin", a kršćani kažu: "Mesih je - Allahov sin."* To su riječi njihove, iz usta njihovih, oponašaju riječi nevjernika prijašnjih - ubio ih Allah! Kuda se odmeću?
31. Oni, pored Allaha, bogovima smatraju svećenike svoje i monahe svoje i Mesiha, sina Merjemina, a naređeno im je da se samo jednom Bogu klanjaju - nema boga osim Njega. On je vrlo visoko iznad onih koje oni Njemu ravnim smatraju.


"Ko ucini trun dobra vidjet ce ga..Ko ucini trun zla vidjet ce ga"

Ja nisam mufessir da ti objasnjavam Kur'an...a ne zelim se sluziti tehnikama copy/paste...
Zato te mogu navesti na Tefsir...i tu ces pronaci odgovore za mnoga pitanja...Naravno, ako zelis vidjeti odgovore...

P.S. Procitaj, nemoj samo onako preletiti...

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Pa u nekim zemljama čovjek ne smije ni spomenuti Bibliju i Isusa, a da ne dobiješ smrtnu kaznu. Gdje tu sloboda. Zašto su neki kršćani poubijani prije par godina u Turskoj koji su tiskali kršćanske knjige. Zašto su nedavno dvije djevojke zatvorili u zatvor u Iranu, samo zato što su prihvatili kršćanstvo. Siguran sam kad bi kršćani slobodno mogli vršiti evangelizacije u nekim islamskim zemljama gdje to zabranjeno, da bi se tisuće i tisuće ljudi obraćalo na kršćanstvo. Čuo sam priču da muslimani stoje u redovima pored kršćanskih crkava u jednoj islamskoj zemlji da bi se kršćani molili za njih. Dok s druge strane muslimani mogu slobodno propovijedati islam u kršćanskim zemljama.....

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Krizostom je napisao/la:
Pa u nekim zemljama čovjek ne smije ni spomenuti Bibliju i Isusa, a da ne dobiješ smrtnu kaznu. Gdje tu sloboda. Zašto su neki kršćani poubijani prije par godina u Turskoj koji su tiskali kršćanske knjige. Zašto su nedavno dvije djevojke zatvorili u zatvor u Iranu, samo zato što su prihvatili kršćanstvo. Siguran sam kad bi kršćani slobodno mogli vršiti evangelizacije u nekim islamskim zemljama gdje to zabranjeno, da bi se tisuće i tisuće ljudi obraćalo na kršćanstvo. Čuo sam priču da muslimani stoje u redovima pored kršćanskih crkava u jednoj islamskoj zemlji da bi se kršćani molili za njih. Dok s druge strane muslimani mogu slobodno propovijedati islam u kršćanskim zemljama.....


Svaka drzava ima svoje zakone...nepostivanjem zakona slijedi sankcija...neke zemlje imaju serijatski zakon...ali vecina nema...
A jesi li u minimalnom procentu upoznat sa serijatskim zakonom...
prouci pa se vrati....
price rekla kazala nisu argumenti...

I jos jedno pitanje...
Zasto je islam najveca rastuca religija u svijetu?
Da se mozda ne siri macem?

Koliki je broj muslimana koju su presli na krscanstvo, a koliki broj krscana koji su presli na islam...

Da nisu bili prisiljeni???

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Preporucujem serijal THE ARRIVALS... Imate ga na youtube...
nije antikriscanski, ali govori o antikristu....

Puno je korisniji od ove kako vidim beznacajne rasprave,....

shvatiti mozete samo u slucaju da pregledate cijeli dokumentarac...od 1 do 51 dijela

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hajde dosta izmišljanja. najbrže rastuća vjera jer imate 10 djece. ja sam živjela na zapadu i sa svime sam upoznata. nadalje 75% konvertita na islam u americi napusti islam u roku od 3 god..ako te zanima broj muslimana koji pređu na kršćanstvo radi se o 6 milijuna godišnje. samo oops, u islamu je smrtna kazna za apostate. ja, religion of peace, nema šta.

ps. nemoj ti meni tefsir i tako to. čitala sam ibn kathira vašeg največeg učenjaka. sve je u vašim izvorima:

I. VIOLENCE TOWARDS UNBELIEVERS

Sahih al-Bukhari 6924
—Allah’s Messenger said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: La ilaha illallah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah), and whoever said La ilaha illahllah, Allah will save his property and his life from me.”

Sahih Muslim 30—It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was guaranteed the protection of his property and life on my behalf except for the right, and his affairs rest with Allah.

Al-Tabari, Volume 10, p. 55—Abu Bakr to the Apostates: . . . “Verily God, may He be exalted, sent Muhammad with His truth to His creation as a bearer of good tidings and as a warner and as one calling [others] to God, with His permission, and as a light-bringing lamp, so that he might warn [all] who live, and so that the saying against the unbelievers might be fulfilled. So God guided with the truth whoever responded to Him, and the Apostle of God, with His permission, struck whoever turned his back to Him until he came to Islam, willingly or grudgingly.”

Sahih al-Bukhari 2785—Narrated Abu Hurairah: A man came to Allah’s Messenger and said, “Guide me to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward).” He replied, “I do not find such a deed.”

Sahih al-Bukhari 2795—Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet said, “Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world, even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah’s cause).”

Sahih al-Bukhari 2796—Narrated Anas: The Prophet said, “A single endeavor (of fighting) in Allah’s cause in the afternoon or in the forenoon is better than all the world and whatever is in it.”

Sahih al-Bukhari 2797—Narrated Abu Hurairah: The Prophet said, . . . “By Him in Whose Hands my soul is! I would love to be martyred in Allah’s Cause and then come back to life and then get martyred, and then come back to life again and then get martyred and then come back to life again and then get martyred.”

Qur’an 9:29—Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Ibn Kathir, Volume 4, 405—This honorable Ayah [9:29] was revealed with the order to fight the People of the Book, after the pagans were defeated, the people entered Allah’s religion in large numbers, and the Arabian Peninsula was secured under the Muslims’ control. Allah commanded His Messenger to fight the People of the Scriptures, Jews and Christians, on the ninth year of Hijrah, and he prepared his army to fight the Romans and called the people to Jihad announcing his intent and destination.


II. VIOLENCE TOWARDS APOSTATES

Sahih al-Bukhari 6878—Narrated Abdullah: Allah’s Messenger said, “The blood of a Muslim who confesses that La ilaha illallah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah) and that I am the Messenger of Allah, cannot be shed except in three cases: (1) Life for life; (2) a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse, and (3) the one who turns renegade from Islam (apostate) and leaves the group of Muslims.

Sahih al-Bukhari 6921—Ibn Umar, Az-Zuhri and Ibrahim said, “A female apostate (who reverts from Islam), should be killed.”

Sahih al-Bukhari 6922—Allah’s Messenger [said], “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.”

III. VIOLENCE TOWARDS CRITICS

Sunan Abu Dawud 4348—Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas: A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it. He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up. He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her. Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.

Sunan Abu Dawud 4349— Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib: A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood.


IV. VIOLENCE TOWARDS WOMEN

Sunan Abu Dawud 2141—Iyas b. Abd Allah b. Abi Dhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not beat Allah’s handmaidens, but when Umar came to the Apostle of Allah and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them. Then many women came round the family of the Apostle of Allah complaining against their husbands. So the Apostle of Allah said: Many women have gone round Muhammad’s family complaining against their husbands. They are not the best among you.

Sahih al-Bukhari 5825—Narrated Ikrima: Rifaa divorced his wife whereupon Abdur-Rahman married her. Aisha said that the lady came wearing a green veil and complained to her (Aisha) and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating. It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah’s messenger came, Aisha said, “I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!” When Abdur-Rahman heard that his wife had gone to the prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, “By Allah! I have done no wrong to him, but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this,” holding and showing the fringe of her garment. Abdur-Rahman said, “By Allah, O Allah’s messenger! She has told a lie. I am very strong and can satisfy her, but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifaa.” Allah's messenger said to her, “If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifaa unless Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you.” The prophet saw two boys with Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), “Are these your sons?” On that Abdur-Rahman said, “Yes.” The prophet said, “You claim what you claim (that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow.”

Sunan Ibn Majah 1986—Ash’ath b. Qais is reported to have said, “One night Umar arranged a feast. When it was midnight, he got up and went towards his wife to beat her. I separated them both. When he went to bed, he said to me, ‘O Ash’ath, preserve from me a thing that I heard from Allah’s messenger. (These things are): A man will not be taken to task for beating his wife (for valid reasons) and do not sleep without observing witr prayer.’ I forgot the third (exhortation).”

Sahih Muslim 2127—[Aisha said:] When it was my turn for Allah's Messenger to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned. He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'Aisha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?

Sahih al-Bukhari 6845—Narrated Aisha: Abu Bakr came to towards me and struck me violently with his fist and said, "You have detained the people because of your necklace." But I remained motionless as if I was dead lest I should awake Allah's Apostle although that hit was very painful.

Sahih al-Bukhari 5204—Narrated Abdullah bin Zam’a: “The prophet said, ‘None of you should flog his wife as he flogs a slave and then have sexual intercourse with her in the last part of the day.’”

Sunan Abu Dawud 2142—Umar b. al-Khattab reported the Prophet as saying: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.

V. VIOLENCE TOWARDS SINNERS

Qur’an 5:38—And (as for) the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands as a punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

Sunan Abu Dawud 4447—Ibn Abbas reported the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: If you find anyone doing as Lot’s people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.

Sunan Abu Dawud 4448—Ibn Abbas said: If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death.

Qur’an 24:2—“(As for) the fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them, (giving) a hundred stripes, and let no pity for them detain you in the matter of obedience to Allah, if you believe in Allah and the last day, and let a party of believers witness their chastisement.”

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samo broj pakistanaca u velikoj britaniji je porastao na 700 000 sada sa 5000 u 1951. (friday times, lahore: khaled ahmed). zbog velikog njihovog nataliteta danas 47% njih ima ispod 16 god. imaju najveću stopu nezaposlenosti , 5x veću neko je britanski prosjek i stopa kriminala je najveća među njima nego u bilo kojoj drugoj zajednici.

nadalje, u americi dosta konvertita na islam su zatvorenici. većinom crnci i hispanoamerikanci.

toliko za sada od mene.. trebala bi ipak ovo biti rasprava o kuranu, a ne nekim stotim stvarima.

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hajde dosta izmišljanja. najbrže rastuća vjera jer imate 10 djece. ja sam živjela na zapadu i sa svime sam upoznata. nadalje 75% konvertita na islam u americi napusti islam u roku od 3 god..ako te zanima broj muslimana koji pređu na kršćanstvo radi se o 6 milijuna godišnje. samo oops, u islamu je smrtna kazna za apostate. ja, religion of peace, nema šta.

ps. nemoj ti meni tefsir i tako to. čitala sam ibn kathira vašeg največeg učenjaka. sve je u vašim izvorima:

I. VIOLENCE TOWARDS UNBELIEVERS

Sahih al-Bukhari 6924
—Allah’s Messenger said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: La ilaha illallah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah), and whoever said La ilaha illahllah, Allah will save his property and his life from me.”

Sahih Muslim 30—It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was guaranteed the protection of his property and life on my behalf except for the right, and his affairs rest with Allah.

Al-Tabari, Volume 10, p. 55—Abu Bakr to the Apostates: . . . “Verily God, may He be exalted, sent Muhammad with His truth to His creation as a bearer of good tidings and as a warner and as one calling [others] to God, with His permission, and as a light-bringing lamp, so that he might warn [all] who live, and so that the saying against the unbelievers might be fulfilled. So God guided with the truth whoever responded to Him, and the Apostle of God, with His permission, struck whoever turned his back to Him until he came to Islam, willingly or grudgingly.”

Sahih al-Bukhari 2785—Narrated Abu Hurairah: A man came to Allah’s Messenger and said, “Guide me to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward).” He replied, “I do not find such a deed.”

Sahih al-Bukhari 2795—Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet said, “Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world, even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah’s cause).”

Sahih al-Bukhari 2796—Narrated Anas: The Prophet said, “A single endeavor (of fighting) in Allah’s cause in the afternoon or in the forenoon is better than all the world and whatever is in it.”

Sahih al-Bukhari 2797—Narrated Abu Hurairah: The Prophet said, . . . “By Him in Whose Hands my soul is! I would love to be martyred in Allah’s Cause and then come back to life and then get martyred, and then come back to life again and then get martyred and then come back to life again and then get martyred.”

Qur’an 9:29—Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Ibn Kathir, Volume 4, 405—This honorable Ayah [9:29] was revealed with the order to fight the People of the Book, after the pagans were defeated, the people entered Allah’s religion in large numbers, and the Arabian Peninsula was secured under the Muslims’ control. Allah commanded His Messenger to fight the People of the Scriptures, Jews and Christians, on the ninth year of Hijrah, and he prepared his army to fight the Romans and called the people to Jihad announcing his intent and destination.


II. VIOLENCE TOWARDS APOSTATES

Sahih al-Bukhari 6878—Narrated Abdullah: Allah’s Messenger said, “The blood of a Muslim who confesses that La ilaha illallah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah) and that I am the Messenger of Allah, cannot be shed except in three cases: (1) Life for life; (2) a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse, and (3) the one who turns renegade from Islam (apostate) and leaves the group of Muslims.

Sahih al-Bukhari 6921—Ibn Umar, Az-Zuhri and Ibrahim said, “A female apostate (who reverts from Islam), should be killed.”

Sahih al-Bukhari 6922—Allah’s Messenger [said], “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.”

III. VIOLENCE TOWARDS CRITICS

Sunan Abu Dawud 4348—Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas: A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it. He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up. He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her. Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.

Sunan Abu Dawud 4349— Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib: A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood.


IV. VIOLENCE TOWARDS WOMEN

Sunan Abu Dawud 2141—Iyas b. Abd Allah b. Abi Dhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not beat Allah’s handmaidens, but when Umar came to the Apostle of Allah and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them. Then many women came round the family of the Apostle of Allah complaining against their husbands. So the Apostle of Allah said: Many women have gone round Muhammad’s family complaining against their husbands. They are not the best among you.

Sahih al-Bukhari 5825—Narrated Ikrima: Rifaa divorced his wife whereupon Abdur-Rahman married her. Aisha said that the lady came wearing a green veil and complained to her (Aisha) and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating. It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah’s messenger came, Aisha said, “I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!” When Abdur-Rahman heard that his wife had gone to the prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, “By Allah! I have done no wrong to him, but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this,” holding and showing the fringe of her garment. Abdur-Rahman said, “By Allah, O Allah’s messenger! She has told a lie. I am very strong and can satisfy her, but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifaa.” Allah's messenger said to her, “If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifaa unless Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you.” The prophet saw two boys with Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), “Are these your sons?” On that Abdur-Rahman said, “Yes.” The prophet said, “You claim what you claim (that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow.”

Sunan Ibn Majah 1986—Ash’ath b. Qais is reported to have said, “One night Umar arranged a feast. When it was midnight, he got up and went towards his wife to beat her. I separated them both. When he went to bed, he said to me, ‘O Ash’ath, preserve from me a thing that I heard from Allah’s messenger. (These things are): A man will not be taken to task for beating his wife (for valid reasons) and do not sleep without observing witr prayer.’ I forgot the third (exhortation).”

Sahih Muslim 2127—[Aisha said:] When it was my turn for Allah's Messenger to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned. He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'Aisha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?

Sahih al-Bukhari 6845—Narrated Aisha: Abu Bakr came to towards me and struck me violently with his fist and said, "You have detained the people because of your necklace." But I remained motionless as if I was dead lest I should awake Allah's Apostle although that hit was very painful.

Sahih al-Bukhari 5204—Narrated Abdullah bin Zam’a: “The prophet said, ‘None of you should flog his wife as he flogs a slave and then have sexual intercourse with her in the last part of the day.’”

Sunan Abu Dawud 2142—Umar b. al-Khattab reported the Prophet as saying: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.

V. VIOLENCE TOWARDS SINNERS

Qur’an 5:38—And (as for) the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands as a punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

Sunan Abu Dawud 4447—Ibn Abbas reported the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: If you find anyone doing as Lot’s people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.

Sunan Abu Dawud 4448—Ibn Abbas said: If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death.

Qur’an 24:2—“(As for) the fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them, (giving) a hundred stripes, and let no pity for them detain you in the matter of obedience to Allah, if you believe in Allah and the last day, and let a party of believers witness their chastisement.”

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hahahah...ne govorim o rastu broja muslimana medju mulimanima..ne govorim o natalitetu....vec o prelasku...

sest miliona godisnje...hahahha

U Francuskoj na
islam godišnje pređe 70.000 ljudi, a u SAD 20.000 • Prema podacima iz
1996. svaki četvrti stanovnik zemaljske kugle je musliman, dok je
godišnja stopa porasta broja
muslimana 6,40% a kršćana 1,46% •

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estera je napisao/la:
samo broj pakistanaca u velikoj britaniji je porastao na 700 000 sada sa 5000 u 1951. (friday times, lahore: khaled ahmed). zbog velikog njihovog nataliteta danas 47% njih ima ispod 16 god. imaju najveću stopu nezaposlenosti , 5x veću neko je britanski prosjek i stopa kriminala je najveća među njima nego u bilo kojoj drugoj zajednici.

nadalje, u americi dosta konvertita na islam su zatvorenici. većinom crnci i hispanoamerikanci.

toliko za sada od mene.. trebala bi ipak ovo biti rasprava o kuranu, a ne nekim stotim stvarima.


Ok...kazes da na islam prelaze uglavnom lopovi, zatvorenici, nepismeni...

Mozes pronaci podatke koliko naucnika, uglednih ljudi u drustvu je preslo na islam...
Znas li zasto je ubijen Michael Jackson...
zbog predvidjanja da bi oko pola miliona ljudi preslo na islam nakon njegove turneje...zbog ilahije koju je otpjevao...

zasto je ubijen malcom X...

je li muhamed ali presao na islam da bi stekao pubicitet...nije..imao ga je vec...

niz je naucnika...
i da ne nabrajam sad....

e sad mi pronadji muslimane tog ranga koji su presli na krscanstvo...

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hey, ne pričaj gluposti. ja svako malo idem u francusku. pa pun si islamske propagande. oni su najsekularnija zemlja u europi . tamo se ama baš nikakvo istraživanje ne provodi o vjeri, niti je ikoga briga za vjeru. pa 70 000. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhhhhahahahahahah

hajde polij se hladnom vodom. mislim da bi se sada svaki francuz kojega znam nasmijao. tamo ljude nije briga ni za kakvu vjeru, a uskoro će i zabraniti burke. živiš u nekakvim islamskim snovima.

ja sam već poslala link za 6 milijuna... znam da samo slušaš islamsku propagandu, ali to je tvoj problem , a ne moj.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina31103.htm

a intelektualci kažeš.- pa znaš li ti u britaniji za council of ex muslims i da svaki dan prijete myriam namazie smrću?? pa uguglaj malo pa ćeš znati tko je otišao iz islama. za SAD sam ti već komentirala, dođu i kako dođu tako i odu.. mislim brojke su vam stvarno presmješne.

a molim te to ta michael jacksona pa vi ste ti koji ubijate druge, a ne mi. si čuo ikada za thea van ghoga??? pa informiraj se malo. mi živimo u demokraciji, a ne šerijatu. fala bogu naravno.

malcom x,,, a šta se ono svega to dogodilo sa martinom lutherom????????????????????????

hajde sad, dosta se sramotiš ovuda. počni čitati literaturu sem islamske propagande.

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hey, ne pričaj gluposti. ja svako malo idem u francusku. pa pun si islamske propagande. oni su najsekularnija zemlja u europi . tamo se ama baš nikakvo istraživanje ne provodi o vjeri, niti je ikoga briga za vjeru. pa 70 000. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhhhhahahahahahah

hajde polij se hladnom vodom. mislim da bi se sada svaki francuz kojega znam nasmijao. tamo ljude nije briga ni za kakvu vjeru, a uskoro će i zabraniti burke. živiš u nekakvim islamskim snovima.

ja sam već poslala link za 6 milijuna... znam da samo slušaš islamsku propagandu, ali to je tvoj problem , a ne moj.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina31103.htm

a intelektualci kažeš.- pa znaš li ti u britaniji za council of ex muslims i da svaki dan prijete myriam namazie smrću?? pa uguglaj malo pa ćeš znati tko je otišao iz islama. za SAD sam ti već komentirala, dođu i kako dođu tako i odu.. mislim brojke su vam stvarno presmješne.

a molim te to ta michael jacksona pa vi ste ti koji ubijate druge, a ne mi. si čuo ikada za thea van ghoga??? pa informiraj se malo. mi živimo u demokraciji, a ne šerijatu. fala bogu naravno.

malcom x,,, a šta se ono svega to dogodilo sa martinom lutherom????????????????????????

hajde sad, dosta se sramotiš ovuda. počni čitati literaturu sem islamske propagande.



HAHAHAH.... vi ste prvi poceli spominjati serijat...i hvatati za njega...


sam vatikan je objavio da je islam religijija sa najvecim porastom...ne natalitetom....6 miliona da...ali krscana koji su presli na islam....

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Koliki je broj muslimana koju su presli na krscanstvo, ?


Prema podacima koje su pretprošle godine objavili Amerikanci, u roku od 10 godina u Africi je preko 45 milijuna muslimana prešlo na kršćanstvo.

No, mislim da to nije razlog za prepucavanje po Forumu...


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Euro je napisao/la:
Koliki je broj muslimana koju su presli na krscanstvo, ?


Prema podacima koje su pretprošle godine objavili Amerikanci, u roku od 10 godina u Africi je preko 45 milijuna muslimana prešlo na islam.

No, mislim da to nije razlog za prepucavanje po Forumu...


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Od kada muslimani prelaze na islam??????

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